Exciting news today folks, Warner Brothers has asked Christopher Nolan (Batman remakes) to play a godfather like role in mentoring the development of the Superman remake that apparently is indeed going to happen after all. The article has quite a bit of information so this is something you're going to want to read. Check it out:
http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/its-a-bird-its-a-plane-its-chris-nolan-hell-mentor-superman-3-0-while-preparing-3rd-batman/
[Post By: Kevin]
Well this is a very interesting development. I hope nolan will help wb find the right script, director, and casting along. I am glad they are going to do this. Now all i want is a clean slate and start things all anew. Dont want to see singer/routh and anything assoicated to donner’s movies again this time. Besides little nods. We need a break from it and bring in the elements from the comics and other things we havent seen in film versions of the characters. We need to see corp lex, more villains like metallo, brainiac, darkseid, doomsday and so on. Then have different characterizations to everyone. Also i do think we need to show a new origin. Cause with a new film series we need to see why things are different then say the donner movie, or the many takes on the character has been since the 70s. Then also show us why these characters are doing what they are doing this time.
ReplyDeleteI read about this at SHH but haven't read the entire article at the other site.....yet. I find this interesting for one MAJOR reason. Remember a while back, anytime that Christopher Nolan was mentioned for Supes, duh apologists would come out of the woodwork against that idea? For that matter, even some REALISTS were opposed to the idea because they were afraid Nolan would make Superman TOO dark, like Batman. I remember Colors was concerned that Nolan would also make Superman's universe too 'ultra-realistic' like he does with Bats.
ReplyDeleteI think the REALISTS probably had the better points because duh apologists were too prone to harp on 'bring back Singer & BJ Routhman!' But regardless of which viewpoint one has about this, it IS VERY interesting that Nolan is now tied to Supes. Who's to say that HE won't end up being the director after all? Time will tell.
I AM concerned about the whole LAWSUIT debacle. I personally want a whole NEW series of films & hang what 'the heirs' think, literally. SCREW 'EM!!!!! WB, give US, the FANS, what we want.....NOW!!!!!
Also, where will this leave TOM WELLING?! Will HE be given the opportunity, OR.....will Nolan go his OWN little merry way with the franchise? Anyone have a clue?!
non_amos,
ReplyDeleteI know, right? I also sent an email to that DVN Randolph guy who swore up and down this would never happen because it was too risky for WB. Where are all the haters now?
Nolan's a good fit. He's not too dark for Superman. All they have to do is take the really optimistic parts of Harvey Dent's character in TDK and give it Superman's backstory, and there you go.
yea that is what i wonder to with the lawsuit stuff and the siegel family owning the rights to krypton stuff i dont want that to not be in a movie. Though most do say at the end of it the families will probably just make a deal with wb/dc comics. so then dc/wb just has to be a reasonable license fee for those elements. Cause it would be disapointing not to have that stuff. Cause i want a full clean reboot with everything to be used.
ReplyDeleteAlso another point i heard on other boards is that nolan has stated that he knows superman and batman are two different characters. so what worked for batman wouldnt be the same for superman. So i am sure he will include the scifi/fantasy stuff of superman in this reboot. Now i cant wait to see who they get for script, cast, and how this turns out. Really hoping WB would mess it up again.
"I remember Colors was concerned that Nolan would also make Superman's universe too 'ultra-realistic' like he does with Bats."
ReplyDeleteBetcher ass I was concerned, and nothing's changed. Nolan's films tend to revolve around driven, obsessed loners and overall have no feeling of hope. They also tend to eschew sci-fi or fantasy elements in favor of a gritty sort of realism.
Those qualities serve him well with Batman but if he brings them to bear on Superman... well, it's not about "making the movie dark" as much as it's about imposing values on the character that don't belong. Can Nolan rise above his own preferences in guiding this film? Maybe.
But why not find someone who's vision and sensibilities already line up with Superman?
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well the report isnt for him to direct the thing. plus nolan has stated in interviews he knows that both characters are different. so i am sure they will not make superman to realistic/realism. I am sure wb will want a scifi actioner this go for superman.
ReplyDeleteMaybe Tom Welling SHOULDN'T be Superman in 'Superman 3.0' WHAT?! Let me explain.
ReplyDeleteI thought of a good analogy. Remember that back in the 50's George Reeves was revered as Superman AND Clark Kent & for that time period he did a pretty good job. But remember, it was the 50's.
When 1978 rolled around & it was time for a big-budget Superman FILM, you WOULDN'T have wanted Superman portrayed as he was in the TV series. George Reeves was gone but you STILL wouldn't have wanted it portrayed like that verbatim. Certain elements, yes, namely the TOUGHNESS, but you would likewise want a NEW interpretation; you wouldn't want 'Adventures Redux'. You'd want it to be it's own animal, & that's what we got with CHRISTOPHER REEVE, who basically went on to OWN the role. But like it was the 50's, THAT was the 70's & 80's. The point is, you wouldn't want Reeve APING Reeves!
The problem with Singerman was TOO much reverence placed on Donner, et al. Just like the creative team behind the film franchise didn't APE the TV series, then Bryan Singerman shouldn't have APED Donner & 'BJ' aping Reeve.
The bottom line?! The FILM franchise didn't copy the TV series, therefore the 'rebooted' franchise shouldn't have attempted to copy Donner. IT should've been it's own animal, to stand on it's own merits. It NOW looks like that's exactly what they're gonna do. If only they had got it right to START with!
But what does this have to do with Welling? Well, although Smallville isn't an EXACT clone of the film series, it IS heavily influenced by it in SOME ways. CR even starred in a couple of episodes. And don't get me wrong, I WAS for Welling being considered & I'm still not totally against it. However, for SUPERMAN 3.0 to REALLY have a FRESH start, it MAY have to sever ties with the past completely. That would include Welling. It MAY be necessary.
yea as much as i would love to see welling don the tights on the big screen. The best thing for this new superman film is to be a total and full reboot. Meaning new cast, new crew, new story, and look. So it can be defined by its self and not soley be based on one take of the character like singer's film has been. I want them to take the best stuff from the comics the 30s-now and what was best there and translate into a new and original story with fresh new characters. Only things i would like to be simular to past things is some injokes/nods not to many and maybe keeping the crystal fos look.
ReplyDelete"But what does this have to do with Welling? Well, although Smallville isn't an EXACT clone of the film series, it IS heavily influenced by it in SOME ways. CR even starred in a couple of episodes. And don't get me wrong, I WAS for Welling being considered & I'm still not totally against it. However, for SUPERMAN 3.0 to REALLY have a FRESH start, it MAY have to sever ties with the past completely. That would include Welling. It MAY be necessary."
ReplyDeleteTrue, non_amos (if indeed that is your real name). A lot is at stake here. If this situation is as desperate as we've been led to believe, there's no room for failure. If this reboot doesn't work, Superman as an entire property may never be the same again.
Sad to say but the filmmakers need to put their best foot forward and cut off everything from the past and do their own thing entirely. Including everything- music, storyline and tone. Including production design. Including continuity.
Including recasting the lead. :(
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IF that is your REAL name? Again? Why, Colors? You don't think I'm SOMEONE ELSE 'masquerading' as 'non_amos' on THIS site, now do ya? You never DO answer that one?! ;)
ReplyDeleteBut you're right. A lot IS at stake & as much as I may hate it, we even need NEW THEME MUSIC among other things. This NEW film needs to break with the past just like the ORIGINAL film series broke with the past per the TV series. Also, as much as I liked CR in the role (R.I.P.), it's time for this franchise to move FORWARD once & for all. We've been waiting since 2006 & really LONGER than that if you don't count Singerman. It's really time to stop 'paying homage' & get on with the task at hand!
And can you believe there are STILL apologists whining for the return of BJ Routhman?! :)
Finally activity!
ReplyDeleteI agree with you guys..Fresh start...but I wish they can still use the iconic theme for music. But Singerman ruin that for us....Maybe they can use a variation of the theme (written by John Williams of course)...The James Bond theme has been around for close to 50 years and they use it...
As for the lead, they need to a new face. I like Welling but it would difficult to portray a character a different way after portraying the character the same way for 10 years....My question is do they go with an unknown or with an established actor....I don't know if I want another unknown since the last unknown sucked
ReplyDeletewell as i said too i really hope they do fresh clean start everything. No more relying on the past films to define the character in the film world. Like others have said it needs to be its own thing. As for actor they will probably be looking at a wide range of folks. So it could end up going to an unknown or it could go to a semi known actor who has done some tv or films. Take for example like a chris pine. He did a bunch of films like the princess diaries movie to that lohan movie. Then hit it real big with the trek reboot. So if it ends up being someone like him that would be good. I do hope they done screw things up this time around.
ReplyDelete"A lot IS at stake & as much as I may hate it, we even need NEW THEME MUSIC among other things."
ReplyDeleteEspecially that. I'm sick and fucking tired of STM being held up as the flawless embodiment of everything that's awesome about Superman. It's good but it's also pretty overrated. There are flaws aplenty with STM.
Jettisoning the main Williams title will piss off the right people (ie, Apologist shit stains) and also send a message that this is a whole new continuity. I see no reason whatsoever to keep the Williams theme.
"it's time for this franchise to move FORWARD once & for all. We've been waiting since 2006 & really LONGER than that if you don't count Singerman. It's really time to stop 'paying homage' & get on with the task at hand!"
Agreed, agreed and agreed a thousand times over. When you're right, you're right.
"And can you believe there are STILL apologists whining for the return of BJ Routhman?! :)"
Yeah, actually I can. Those deluded morons live in a fantasy world where Singerman was somehow mega profitable and Routh is a major celebrity due to his involvement with it.
You can't talk sense to the utterly senseless, but I suspect that's not breaking news for you, given how many of those douchenozzles used to come around the Singer sucks blog.
Btw, where the hell is the Apologist Puncher? You'd think he'd be here rubbing the Apologists' latest defeat in their face.
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On Sunday morning, on one of the news programs, they started playing the John Williams Superman theme. I was in & out of the room but I KNOW it wasn't about Superman. They were using the music, I guess, in a humorous way, making some sorta point about 'being LIKE a superhero'.
ReplyDeleteWhat does that have to do with this? In a way, plenty! Since I knew the music well, what kinda images did it conjure up in MY mind? You guessed it, Christopher Reeve! Not that that's entirely a BAD thing. The theme sounded iconic & everything as it always does. Images from the 1st 2 films flash through your mind. If NOSTALGIA is what I want, it's fine for that, BUT.....it's WRONG to sabotage future Superman films because of nostalgia.
Think about it. No matter WHO they get for the lead, or creative team, or whatever continuity they use, IF they use the Williams theme, the viewer will ALWAYS be reminded of the original films. That's fine for nostagia if you want to 're-live the 80's' but it's NOT FAIR to future fans. It's especially not fair to the NEW GUY who forever-and-a-day has to live in CR's shadow. 'Paying homage' is fine for when you're watching your DVD sets but at THIS point, ONLY for that! The very REAL fear here is that 'homage' may very well KILL the franchise once & for all & with all the crap associated with it right now due to 'the heirs' we can't allow that to happen! The NEW film series needs to stand on it's own. It's not fair if it's continually compared to even CR, or even worse, BJ Routhman!
As for Apologist Puncher, I have no idea! I don't know if he died or what?! The SUCKS blog has been dead for some time. It's still there but there's rarely any posts & when there is, it's the 'Singer is a fag' crapola. You'd think that with the recent developments that AP would be all over this thing. Actually you'd think he would've been all over this some time ago when the REALISTS apparently won but even then he was conspicuously absent. I'd like to know myself what happened to him.
"I'm always around...."
ReplyDelete*BARF*
Oh, and I was....away, for a while. But the Nolan info is something I "called" a long, long time ago. So it's good to see I was right. Again.
ReplyDeleteBJ Routh is history. Fat women can get wet over him being on "Chuck", but their "mooo-ing" WON'T get him the role back.
Well, it is (or was anyway) TCB vs. Neal Bailey in the Persuasion comments.
ReplyDeleteFor those interested...
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=7596#comments
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Colors, I briefly looked at that little debate over there but there's SO much reading I just don't feel like tackling it right now. However, how did you manage to get 'un-banned'? Nevertheless, it looked like business as usual, didn't it, i.e., no flaming, no telling anyone what they can & can't watch, ad nauseum. Just like old times! 'Bout makes ME wanna go back!
ReplyDeletenon_amos (IF that is my REAL name) ;)
My IP address changed. After reading Bailey's little hackjob (and "final") review, I simply registered a new handle (the one I use pretty much everywhere else) and gave 'em a piece of my mind. They don't seem to have made the connection between me and the guy they banned a year or two ago.
ReplyDeleteAs AP has said before, Apologists do best when they're in an Apologist-friendly forum where mods patrol (or when they are mods themselves). They're not so crazy about unmoderated forums as there's no one there to protect them from their own idiocy. That's the main reason why you don't see them too much on Realist pages.
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Oh yeah, something else. Since I'm apparently no longer an admin around here, I don't have to worry about "not hurting the cause". I'm back to being able to say anything I like, damn the consequences, so I gave the Apologist morons both barrels.
ReplyDeleteAh well, fun while it lasted. Banned in less than 24 hours. Is that a record?
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"Ah well, fun while it lasted. Banned in less than 24 hours. Is that a record?"
ReplyDeleteUNBELIEVABLE! All you seemed to do was just be a little sarcastic with EUNUCH & he BANNNED you! But you've got to remember, 'duh Homopage' isn't exactly a place to have REAL individual thought. Case in point. Back when Singerman was all the rage, you'd get something like this from either Eunuch or FUGLY: "Don't say, Superman Returns sucks, but say, I THINK Superman Returns sucks." As if one of these was just your opinion but the other one was intentionally 'inflaming' those who liked Singerman. Can you tell me the difference? A play on words?! I say to-may-to, you say to-mah-to. Po-tay-to, po-tah-to. What a steaming pile of BS Singerman! ;)
As far as Fugly was concerned, you couldn't even mention the FACT that Singerman props were being sold on eBay. It was baiting! Come again?! Now c'mon, little sheep, THIS how is how you GOOSE-STEP! Der moderator has spoken!
I just wish that REALISTS had a LIVELY site for all things SUPERMAN, emphasis on Superman. I hate how this site barely has a pulse anymore. And Colors, so you're NOT a moderator on here anymore? And was that REALLY AP who posted the other day or just an imposter? As for me, I wasn't banned from duh Homopage. Let me put it this way. I had things (stress) going on in my life with my job at the time & with all the bickering & whining that I had to constantly defend myself against on their forums, it just got old after awhile. It was hard to keep up with it anyway, what with their 'marathon posts', & hey, I HAD a life! I finally stopped logging in for the most part & have barely even been to the site in recent times, that is, until now. I STILL haven't committed to 'going back', unless I'm a glutton for punishment?! And my ID is..............................
non_amos (IF that is my REAL name) ;)
"All you seemed to do was just be a little sarcastic with EUNUCH & he BANNNED you!"
ReplyDeletePretty much, yeah. Still, I'm okay with it. Today, they banned me because of stuff I said on their little comment section. Last time, it was because of something I said over on the Singerman Sucks blog. Can you believe that? Those ignorant sons of bitches had enough free time to skip over to the Singer Sucks page, cruise the comments and realize, GASP!, one of their own posted on "one of THOSE blogs". The shame, the scandal of it all! "Free speech works best when everyone says what I want them to say! Otherwise, what's the point?"
"Don't say, [Singerman] sucks, but say, I THINK [Singerman] sucks". I remember that. People were perfectly free to piss on the comics, SV or anything else but Singerman was strictly off limits. You can't hurt the golden goose, eh? Eh?
"I just wish that REALISTS had a LIVELY site for all things SUPERMAN, emphasis on Superman."
We did. We used to. Truth is that the old Save Superman website (the one emijayne made with all the various sections and whatnot) didn't have enough time to take off and really become something. I understand that Steve wanted to narrow the focus of his campaign back down, I'd never ever ever piss on the guy, I'm just saying that returning to the blog format hurt the Realist haven that was emerging.
I mean, not everyone on the old SaveSuperman site loved SV. But they were able to be intellectually honest about it and say "hey, if you dig it, more power to you, but I can't just can't get into this" and then explain their point of view and defend it.
All Bailey and his little pack of Common-loving minions have is "oh man, this fuckin sucks, we need more men in pleather and more boy'ish-looking women!!"
Ugh...
"I hate how this site barely has a pulse anymore."
Again, I'd never ever ever piss on Steve but this was sort of inevitable. He narrowed the focus of the campaign back down to just Superman at a time when WB was more interested in developing other properties.
Since SV is (for now anyway) the only game in town and there's only so much you can say about a TV show in its 9th season, it's understandable that interest in this site has dropped off a little bit.
"And was that REALLY AP who posted the other day or just an imposter?"
It certainly read like something AP would write. Plus, if someone out there has so much free time that they would impersonate AP, they should probably think about getting a job.
"Let me put it this way. I had things (stress) going on in my life with my job at the time & with all the bickering & whining that I had to constantly defend myself against on their forums, it just got old after awhile. It was hard to keep up with it anyway, what with their 'marathon posts', & hey, I HAD a life!"
Hey, you're preaching to the choir here. I was having little postathons myself (that's how it happens when you work from home) but it would only have been a matter of time until I'd have to get back to the real world. You can't teach an Apologist an appreciation for the true Superman. It's like riding an exercise bike without a seat; it's a pain in the ass and it doesn't get you anywhere.
In case it's not obvious, the Steve whom I say I'd never criticize is Archangel, the founder of this blog/website/campaign.
ReplyDeleteI can and do verbally piss on Steve Younis and his little self promotion scam of a website any and every opportunity I get.
Just for clarification...
"And was that REALLY AP who posted the other day or just an imposter?"
ReplyDelete"It certainly read like something AP would write. Plus, if someone out there has so much free time that they would impersonate AP, they should probably think about getting a job."
It's me. Not someone wearing a "fetish suit" pretending to play me in a badly made movie. The "genuine article" here....
What happened to this place, anyway? I mean, I go away for a few months and the place becomes a graveyard?